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Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:12 am
by makslane
In december 2002 I start the Game Editor development. The idea was make a 2D game creator tool thats can create a game for multiple platforms.
But why 2D? Because the 3D game market had many great players.
It was not a viable project for just one person!

But now we have another scenario: Game Editor is an open source software, so we can use great 3D open source software and not reinvent the wheel.

In the last months I was just learning the Blender 3D (Just to you know, my first C program was a 3D modeler called Visual 3D developed to the AMIGA computer and I've worked as 3D graphic artist too ;-) ). The Blender is a open source 3D software written in C/C++, like Game Editor, and have a game engine too.

Game Editor now have two big projects to finish: a new interface and the network.
What I'm think is Game Editor can use the Blender 3D project to get a new interface, the network and the 3D (by making a plugin for Blender or changing the Blender code).

To get this work, the steps are:

1) Port the Blender player (the Blender game engine) to all platforms supported by Game Editor
2) To create in the Blender game engine (and interface) all features Game Editor have (for example, the Blender game engine doesn't have a easy way to make cheat codes in the keyboard events)
3) To create a converter thats will read all Game Editor games
4) To create the iconic programming interface already coded in the current Game Editor code
5) To improve the blender interface in some aspects (like when you select the parent object you need just to select from a list, not enter the name in the keyboard)

The Game Editor 3D using the Blender will be compatible only with devices thats have an OpenGL ES 3D hardware accelerator (iPhone, some Android devices, ...).

About the business model used in Game Editor today, I think will need some changes (like not selling Game Editor anymore or putting the sharing revenues idea to work)

Well, this is just the beginning of an idea I think can be great, but needs to mature.

Makslane

PS:

Related Blender projects:
Hierarchical Nodal Logic

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:24 am
by Hblade
I think it's an exelent idea. However I also think you should still have the old GE so that you can still make games for devices that don't support OpenGL

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:20 pm
by Rux
I have thought of a lot of different possibilities of how to make GE 3D - one of the most probable would be to write it again from scratch. (Which would be hard) But this sounds like a great idea.

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:32 am
by NUTINC
Yeah I'm all for this. GE 2D is the best 2D programming software I've ever found. GE 3D seems a logical next step! :mrgreen:

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:30 am
by MrJolteon
3D GE isn't a bad idea.
(Ok, i didn't rush this post. I didn't have anything else to write)

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:45 pm
by hachibi
Instead of using Blender game engine, i suggest :
- Crystal space
-(maybe you should inspire yourself of Unity3D as example)
- Irrilicht + Ogre(Ogre for render)
- Clanlib
- MobileDragon



PS: If you stop the buisness, then how do you plan to eat, i mean you need money to keep GE alive, right?

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:28 pm
by makslane
hachibi wrote:Instead of using Blender game engine, i suggest :
- Crystal space
-(maybe you should inspire yourself of Unity3D as example)
- Irrilicht + Ogre(Ogre for render)
- Clanlib
- MobileDragon


The point is we need not only a game engine, but a good 3D IDE to make the game.
(I can't write alone a full 3D game IDE like Unity3D)

PS: If you stop the buisness, then how do you plan to eat, i mean you need money to keep GE alive, right?


I have another job, Unfortunately, the Game Editor never paid my bills!
BTW, by stopping selling the software does not means we can't find other business model for the site!

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:22 am
by Chai
With respect, I think, it would be better if you target on the Iphone port.
Because many great indie games are on iphone right now.
Iphone approval system is very good.
In fact, Windows Game approval system always have a hole.

Moreover, most of GE are a sole developer which is easier to budget itself and develop.

If you go to 3D.
It has to be a group for developing which is harder for a new indie game developer.

As long as, a game is fun. It is not necessary. It can be either 2D or 3D.
But, I still stick on 2D because it is easier to finish a developing game.

I strongly believe that if GE can export to an iphone. GE will come back to be popular again.
For your information, I work as a commission artist.
95% of my customers hire me to do a character animation for their's iphone game.
5% of my customers are for a PC game.
0% commission for a windows mobile game.

Best regards,
Chai

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:09 pm
by OmniArts
yea im all for the 3d Game Editor and open gl es will be a great addition to the engine,
GE games will still be able able to be played on iphone with some work, and I'm pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 will be supporting Open gl es

Just because its a 3d engine doesnt mean you cant make 2d games.

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:04 pm
by makslane
The iPhone port stay at high priority level. It is a "must to do task" , but I need developers to make the port!
My idea with the blender is to minimize the need for development of the IDE.

Game Editor is an open source software, but I got no crontributions until now (the code is available since 2008!)
So, I need to get the contributions from the other open source projects.

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:05 pm
by makslane
OmniArts wrote:I'm pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 will be supporting Open gl es


The OpenGL ES is available in some windows device since the Pocket PC 2003 version!

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:32 pm
by hachibi
The point is we need not only a game engine, but a good 3D IDE to make the game.
(I can't write alone a full 3D game IDE like Unity3D)


You can recrute new team in the gamedev.net community

I have another job, Unfortunately, the Game Editor never paid my bills!
BTW, by stopping selling the software does not means we can't find other business model for the site!

If you don't mind, what are your job? (sorry for indiscretion), So that mean it is completly free ? (free to sold the game made with it)?

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:19 am
by makslane
You can recrute new team in the gamedev.net community


I have tried before without success

So that mean it is completly free ? (free to sold the game made with it)?


May be, but there are many things to do yet.

If you don't mind, what are your job?


It is a good job in Brazil :wink:

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:27 am
by makslane
The Game Editor community have great users and I want to give to this community a better game tool that Game Editor is today.

Re: Game Editor 3D: Just a crazy idea?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:31 pm
by hachibi
It is a good job in Brazil :wink:

Do you mind to show me where it is, if one day i am going to work the same place as you :)

makslane wrote:The Game Editor community have great users and I want to give to this community a better game tool that Game Editor is today.


OK but i can suggest you to try recrute new crew on this forum at least :



Best regard,
Hachibi